How fast is fast enough for a spinning disk confocal relative to camera speed

I am currently trying to determine the cost/benefit analysis for getting a fast spinning disk confocal. My major question is why should it matter that a confocal, for example CSU-X1 can do 2,000 frames per second and a CSU-W1 can do 200 frames per second, if my camera can only do 100 fps. What am I missing?

This does not even consider other components that could slow this process down. For example is it not more important to consider other things like: dual camera simultaneous imaging, triggering, or sectioning, rather than putting too much focus on what spinning disk speed you are using?

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Many modern cameras can go well beyond 100fps, thought it usually requires restricting the field of view. (That 100fps you are mentioning was probably full frame). So the camera isn’t always the limitation. It comes down more to your sample. If you don’t ever need more than 200fps to capture what you’re looking at, then it doesn’t matter. But if you’re looking at crazy fast things, then that extra 1800fps in the X1 might be useful. It’s a big “might” though, cause in addition to restricting your field of view on the camera, actually achieving 1000fps also assumes that you can get sufficient SNR with a 1ms exposure. That in turn depends on the maximum laser power in your system and the intrinsic brightness of your sample. (Of course, issues of photobleaching and toxicity resulting from the increased laser power aside).

(As a side note here, remember also that getting the very highest frame rates theoretically achievable by a spinning disk requires pretty good synchrony between the disk speed and exposure time if you are to avoid disk artifacts from incomplete frame coverage).

So those numbers about spinning disk frame rate that you were quoting usually refer to the time it takes to make one complete sweep of the field of view (for instance, 1/12 of a rotation on an X1).

I would call those other issues (triggering, simultaneous multichannel, etc) independent of the question of speed… and only you can decide whether they are “more important” to you than the maximum frame rate your system can achieve (again, based on the demands of your experiment and your biological question).

edit: since you mention triggering, it’s worth pointing out that on any of these system, hitting something like 500+ FPS probably assumes that you’re just streaming the camera nonstop, without turning the laser on and off… so triggering is not an issue for speed in that case. Though a carefully triggered system would certainly have benefits for minimizing light dose at lower frame rates (so again… I see that as an independent issue)

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We actually run our CSU-X1s below maximum speed most of the time and have only rarely needed to turn up to full speed. In most cases, something else limits the frame rate (exposure time, z motor movement, filter switching, etc). As Talley said, what matters most is your sample and any frame rate requirements imposed by your experiment.

That said, in my opinion speed isn’t the most important difference between the X1 and the W1. I haven’t used a W1 much, but my understanding is that the field of view is bigger and there’s a wider variety of disk options. Even if you get a disk with the same pinhole size as the X1, the pinhole spacing on the W1 disk is larger, and we have some anecdotal evidence that the increased spacing makes quite a big difference for samples with a lot of out of focus light. Also, because the X1 is a much older model than the W1, it may be more difficult to get replacement parts/service - definitely something to ask about in the purchasing process. Again, take this with a grain of salt - I don’t have a W1!

And of course, it’s very difficult (impossible?) to completely predict performance. The best way to tell which one is going to work best for you is to demo each model with your samples.

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